"KOMPAGNIET"
Om livet i ØK -
EAC skibe.
Side 92
What you can see
written
in blue,
is translation of the story on this site, about the training ship SS
København.
Translated
by
marine engineer:
Jesper Th. Petersen
Seattle.
OBS! - Sidste nyt nederst på siden.
Last news at the
bottum on this site.
S/S KØBENHAVN
Verdens største skoleskib.
The world’s largest training (sailing) ship.
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Størrelsesforhold: S/S Danmark foran S/S København.
Picture - size proportion:
S/S
Danmark (the current Danish training ship) in front.
S/S
København.
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København søsættes.
København launching. Skoleskibet København tilhørende ØK, var en
femmastet bark (med en B&W dieselmotor 508 HK som hjælpemaskine)
søsat 1921, og var verdens største sejlskib.
Fører på skibets første rejse (26. oktober
1921 – 7. november 1922) var kommandørkaptajn og teknisk direktør i
Det Østasiatiske Kompagni baron Niels Juel-Brockdorff.
Skibet blev bestilt i 1913, og skroget stod
færdigt i 1915, men grundet 1. verdenskrig blev skibet ikke
færdigbygget. Skroget blev slæbt til Gibraltar, omdøbt til "Black
Dragon" og blev brugt som kuldepot.
Efter 1. verdenskrig blev et nyt skrog
bygget efter de oprindelige tegninger, og skibet blev endelig
færdigbygget.
Under kaptajn Hans Ferdinand Andersen
forsvandt skibet sporløst i december 1928 eller i januar 1929 med 59
mand om bord efter at have forladt Buenos Aires med kurs mod
Australien.
Hvad der forårsagede Københavns forlis er
aldrig blevet opklaret.
The training ship København, belonging to EAC, was a 5-masted bark
(with a B&W 508 hp Diesel engine as its auxiliary engine) launched
in 1921, being the world’s largest sailing ship.
The master on the maiden voyage (26th October 1921 – 7th
November 1922) was Captain Commander and technical director in the
East Asiatic Company (EAC) Baron Niels Juel-Brockdorff.
The ship was commissioned in 1913, and the hull was completed in
1915, but because of World War I the ship was not completed. The
hull was towed to Gibraltar, renamed the "Black Dragon" and used as
a coal depot.
After World War I, a new hull was built according to the original
drawings and the ship was finally completed.
Under Captain Hans Ferdinand Andersen, the ship disappeared without
a trace in December 1928 or in January 1929 with 59 men on board
after leaving Buenos Aires heading for Australia.
What caused the København shipwreck has never been resolved.
København for anker. København
at ancor.
Besøg til det nye skib.
Visit to the new ship.
Interessen var stor.
The interest was great.
Kong Christian d. X. inspicerer besætningen.
King Christian X inspects the crew.
København for fulde sejl.
København at full sails.
14. december 1928 sejlede Skoleskibet København fra Argentinas
hovedsted Buenos Aires med kurs mod Adelaide, hvor det var forventet
omkring 2 måneder senere. Det kom aldrig frem.
Godt en uge senere telegraferede Skoleskibet
"Alt vel om bord". Det var den sidste melding. Siden da har ingen
hørt noget fra verdens største sejlskib. Forliset udløste en
stortstilet eftersøgning, men der er aldrig fundet nogen druknede
eller vragrester.
Østasiatiske Kompagni's karismatiske direktør Etatsråd H.N. Andersen
lagde meget vægt på uddannelsen af skibsofficerer. For at styrke
uddannelsen, og formodentlig også for at vise omverden, at ØK var
blandt de førende rederier, byggede man skoleskibet København.
H. N. Andersen mente ikke at motorskibe kunne give søfolk den
krævede hårdførhed og modighed. Den 5 mastede bark, var verdens
største sejlførende fartøj, og blev søsat 24. marts 1921 i Skotland.
Første rejse var jorden rundt, og den indledes i oktober 1921 og
afsluttedes 7. november 1922.
På det 10. togt lastede hun byg i Argentina som skulle til Adelaide
i Australien. Da hun ikke meldte tilbage efter 2 måneder på søen,
begyndte ØK i al diskretion, at eftersøge skibet. Først 28. maj fik
man en brugbar melding. En missionær havde den 21. januar 1929 set
et meget stort skib, som svarede til København ved Tristan de Cunha
(beliggende i Sydatlanten mellem Sydamerikas og Afrikas sydspids).
On 14 December 1928 the training ship København sailed from
Argentina's capital, Buenos Aires, heading towards Adelaide, where
it was expected about 2 months later. She never arrived.
A week later after the departure the training ship wired:
"Everything well on board". That was the last message. Since then,
no one has heard anything from the world's largest sailing ship. The
shipwreck triggered a large-scale search, but no drowned or debris
has ever been found.
The East Asiatic Company's charismatic director Councillor H.N.
Andersen placed a lot of emphasis on the training of ship officers.
In order to strengthen the training, and presumably also to show the
outside world that the EAC was among the leading shipping companies,
the training ship København was built
H. N. Andersen did not believe that motorships could provide
seafarers with the required hardness and patience. The 5-masted bark
was the world's largest sailing ship and was launched 24th
of March 1921 in Scotland.
The first voyage was around the world, and it started in October
1921 and ended 7. November 1922.
On the 10th voyage she was loading barley in Argentina,
and was going to Adelaide, Australia. When she did not show up after
2 months at sea, the EAC began, in all discretion, to search for the
ship. Not until the 28th of May, did they get a useful
message. A missionary had the on the 21st of
January 1929 seen a very
large ship, which corresponded to København at Tristan de Cunha
(located in the South Atlantic Ocean between South America and
Africa's southern tip).
Mast and sail in water (unknown
vessel)
Skibet havde tilsyneladende været i havsnød. Disse informationer
gjorde at man intensiverede eftersøgningen, men da en finsk reder
kunne meddele ØK at deres 4-mastede bark Ponapee havde passeret
Tristan de Cunha netop den 21. januar, brast håbet.
Det siges, at H.N. Andersen græd da han fik meldingen om at det var
Ponapee som var set ved Tristan de Cunha. Dagen efter blev
eftersøgningen indstillet og der blev aldrig fundet spor efter
København. 60 besætningsmedlemmer gik ned med skibet.
The ship had apparently been in distress. This information made it
possible to intensify the search, but when a Finnish owner could
announce that their 4-masted bark Ponapee had passed by Tristan de
Cunha just on 21st of January, hope burst.
It is said that H.N. Andersen wept when he received the announcement
that it was Ponapee which had been seen at Tristan de Cunha. The
next day the search was cancelled, and no traces were found of
København. 60 crew members went down with the ship.
Indskudt mail modtaget 10.
oktober 2014.
Hej.
Måske du synes denne historie skal med i “snesejler”
Den er læst i Ærø Venstreblad fra 3. januar 1930.
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To unge danske sømænd blev en aften i Buenos Aires i 1928
påkørt af en rangermaskine. Den ene døde øjeblikkeligt
hvorimod den anden fik benet kørt af og kom på hospitalet,
hvor koldbrand senere tog livet af ham.
Den danske sømandspræst, Svend Nielsen på stedet forrettede
begravelsen. I havnen lå S/S København og besætning og
kadetter fulgte skibsdrengen til graven i den fremmede jord.
Præsten byggede sin begravelsestale over ordene: “Der er kun
et skridt mellem mig og døden” og med den tale henvendte han
også til de mange unge danskere der var til stede.
Dagen efter – 14. december 1928 – forlod “København” Buenos
Aires og forsvandt.
Med venlig hilsen
Gunner Egholm Rasmussen
Fhv. maskinchef i Ø.K.
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Inserted Mail received 10. October 2014.
Hi.
Maybe you think this story should be in the "Snow sailor"
It is from the Ærø newspaper from 3rd of January 1930.
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“Two
young Danish sailors were hit by a shunting engine (locomotive) an
evening in Buenos Aires in 1928. One died immediately whereas the
other had the leg ripped off and came to the hospital, where
gangrene later took his life.
The Danish seamen's priest, Svend Nielsen, on the spot, executed the
funeral. In the port, S/S
København’s
crew and cadets followed the ship boy to the grave in the foreign
soil.
The priest built his funeral speech over the words: "There is only
one step between me and death" and with that speech he also
addressed the many young
Danes who were present.
The day after – 14. December 1928 – the
København
left Buenos Aires and later disappeared.”
Sincerely,
Gunner Egholm Rasmussen – former Chief Engineer in EAC.
Der har siden været en del diskussion omkring grunden til Københavns
forlis. Forskning har vist at byg giver problemer, såfremt
fugtigheden øges. Engelsk lov forbød skibe at tage byg som
bulk-last. Normalt var det en tommelfinger regel, at man kunne laste
10-14% af byglasten som bulk. Andre formodninger er, at København
kunne have ramt et isbjerg.
There has since been a lot of discussion about the reason for the
København
shipwreck. Research has shown that barley creates problems if
moisture is increased. English law banned ships from taking barley
as bulk cargo. Usually, it was a thumb rule that one could load
10-14% of the barley load as bulk. Other presumptions are that the
København could have hit an iceberg.
København ved kaj.
København at berth.
Mail fra Mogens Ottesen.
Hej Willy.
Jeg har nyligen sendt en mail til James Glass på Tristan da Cunha,
da han og en kollega, muligvis har fundet vragresterne fra
skoleskibet ”København”, og vil fortsætte dykningerne ved Cave Point
når det igen bliver sommer på øen til okt – nov.
Af de forskellige fotos af nagler og et stokanker – kan det tyde på
et nittet jernskib med stokankre, og dem var der ikke så mange af
før 2. verdenskrig.
Dimensionerne kan også meget vel passe – du kan jo prøve at studere
billederne som jeg har vedhæftet som en fil.
Fik mail fra Norman Glass på Tristan da Cunha her til aften - det
var ham som fandt vraget.
Mail from Mogen Ottesen
Hey Willy.
I have recently sent an email to James Glass at Tristan da Cunha, as
he and a colleague, possibly may have found the wreckage from the
training ship "
København
", and will continue diving at Cave Point when it again becomes
summer on the island in Oct – Nov.
From the different photos of the nails and a stick anchor – it could
indicate a riveted iron ship with stock-anchors, of which there were
not that many before World War II.
The dimensions may fit well – you can try to study the images that I
have attached as a file.
Got an email from Norman Glass at Tristan da Cunha this evening - it
was he who found the wreckage.
Motiv af stigelignende
genstand.
Ladder-like subject.
Kan tænkes, at det er en af de
jernlejdere, som gik fra lugekarmen og ned i lastrummene evt. via
mellemdækket - de havde oftest
disse korte mellemrum mellem trinene husker jeg fra
min Ø.K. tid.
Jeg har drønet op og ned af disse mange gange, da jeg
var i god træning fra entringerne om bord i skoleskibet "Danmark",
hvor førstestyrmand Otto Bentsen kom med opildnende tilråb, hvis det
gik for langsomt.
Is it possible that it could be one of the iron ladders which went
from the hatch sill and down into the holds between decks – they
often had these short gaps between the steps I remember from my EAC
time.
I have been rushing up and down these many times as I was in good
training from the climbing the shrouds on board the training ship
"Danmark", where first mate Otto Bentsen came up with inflammatory
language if we were too
slowly.
.
Her ses det elektriske lossepil til forlugen på Brodækket.
the electrical winch for the
front hold at the bridge deck.
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Vinduesramme på bestikhuset ved siden af Jakobs lejderen på agterparten af
bestikhuset lige
foran agter lugen.
window frame at the navigation house next to Jacob's
ladder at the aft end of the navigation house right in front of the
aft most hatch.
.Del
af belægningen rundt kortbordet i bestikken ???
Part of
the coating around the map table???
En udtaget nagle, som skal undersøges nærmere.
A
removed
nail which must be examined further.
Et af de 2 fundne stokankre.
One of
the 2 found stock-anchors.
.
Three pictures of the bow – The figurehead is Bishop
Absalon, founder of Copenhagen in 1167
De gode øboere agter at fortsætte dykningen efter "København" når
vinterstormene har lagt sig.
Så vil de opmåle vraget mere nøjagtigt, og tage nogle flere fotos -
det bliver ganske spændende at følge.
The good islanders intend to continue the diving after "København"
when the winter storms have settled. They will measure the wreckage
more accurately and take some more photos – it will be quite
exciting to follow.
Her er et udklip af dykkernes tekst:
Here's a clip of the divers ' text:
På vores andet dyk, undersøgte vi et større område omkring vraget,
hvor vi fandt 2 store ankre 03:57 meter (10 til 13 fod) på tværs på
havbunden. kan disse ankre tilhøre vraget? Eller har vi fundet
beviser for et andet fartøj, der har mødt sin skæbne mod klipperne i
en af de barske storme, der ofte rammer klippeøerne Tristan?
Vi er ved at løbe tør for luft, men vi gør
en kort pause til at fotografere de store ankre før vi må tilbage
til overfladen og hjem igen.
Da vi sprang over bølgerne i vores båd,
kunne jeg ikke lade være med at spekulerer på, hvad var historien om
dette skib, og hvordan kom hun til at møde sin tragiske afslutning,
strandet mod klipperne i Tristan?
“On our second dive, we examined a larger area around the wreck,
where we found 2 large anchors 03:57 meters (10 to 13 feet) at the
seabed. Can these anchors belong to the wreck? Or have we found
evidence of another vessel that has met its fate against the rocks
in one of the harsh storms that often hits the rocky islands of
Tristan?
We are running out of air, but we are making a short break to
photograph the large anchors before we have to get back to the
surface and home again.
When we jumped the waves in our boat, I couldn't help but wonder
what the story of this ship was, and how did she come to meet her
tragic ending, stranded against the rocks of Tristan?”
The divers in their boat.
Jeg har sendt dem nogle informationer om skoleskibet, samt
avisudklip, kopier m.v.
Jeg har en teori om, at der er opstået brand i maskinrummet ved
juletid i 1928, og på det tidspunkt havde man jo kun spulevand at
slukke med, derfor lå agterskibet tungt i søen, da det strandede på
Tristan, hvilket jeg har skrevet til Norman Glass.
Mindst en af bådene ser ud til at være kommet i vandet under branden
om bord, idet en ekspedition i september 1935 på en øde strand
omkring 400 miles nord for Swakopmund Sydafrika, fandt en smadret
redningsbåd med syv blege skeletter.
Det er ikke endeligt bevist, at de overlevende var fra "København",
men kranierne var "nordiske" og uniformer og bådvragdele blev
beskrevet som værende af skandinavisk oprindelse.
De strandede søfolk , der nåede kysten - landede i et område uden kilder til rent vand, og det formodes at de er døde af
dehydrering, da to lig fandtes flere kilometer inde i ørkenen.
Jeg talte i 60'erne med en bådsmand, som fra en Ø.K.-bekendt, havde
erfaret, at der stod KØBENHAVN i nogle af huebåndene, som man fandt
i båden i det nuværende Namibia.
Dette måtte dog ikke komme frem i pressen, for ikke igen at rippe op
i katastrofen, som havde taget meget hårdt på H.N. Andersen, og han
havde stor magt over pressen i 30'erne.
Der er dem som mener, at han aldrig genvandt sin velkendte lederstil
igen efter "København"s forlis.
Kan du evt. bruge noget af disse udsagn til "Snesejleren" - er du
velkommen, og jeg bidrager gerne med yderligere oplysninger m.v.
Du har jo oplagt en masse flotte billeder af "København" på
"Snesejler"-sitet, som jeg jævnligt besøger af nostalgiske årsager,
da sitet er "second to none", som gamle Churchill sagde i sin tid.
Det ser ikke ud til, at mange i den danske søfartspresse har vist
interesse for fundet ved Tristan, men det skal nok komme, hvis det
viser sig at vraget er fra "København."
Mogens Ottesen.
I have sent them some information about the training ship, as well
as newspaper clippings, copies etc.
I have a theory that there has been a fire in the engine room at
Christmas in 1928, and in those days you had only a spray of water
to extinguish, therefore the stern was heavy in the sea when it
stranded on Tristan, which I have written to Norman Glass.
At least one of the boats seems to have come in the water during the
fire on board, as an expedition in September 1935 on a deserted
beach around 400 miles north of Swakopmund South Africa, found a
smashed lifeboat with seven pale skeletons.
It has not been conclusively proven that the survivors were from "
København ", but the skulls were "Nordic" and uniforms and boat
parts were described as being of Scandinavian origin.
The stranded sailors who reached the coast – landed in an area
without sources of clean water, and it is presumed that they have
died of dehydration, as two bodies were found several kilometers
inside the wilderness.
I spoke in the 60s with a boatman who, from an island friend, had
learned that København was written in some of the hat name-bands
which were found in the boat in the present Namibia.
This did not, however, appear in the press, not to rip up in the
disaster, which had been taken very hard by H.N. Andersen, and he
had (after all) great power over the news in the 30ties.
There are those who believe that he never reconquered his well-known
leader style after the " København " shipwreck.
You may be able to use some of these statements for the "Snow
Sailor" – and you are welcome to do so, and I am happy to contribute
with additional information etc.
You have shared a lot of great pictures of " København " on the
"Snow Sailor" site, which I regularly visit for nostalgic reasons,
since the site is "second to none", as Old Churchill said in his
time.
It does not seem that many in the Danish maritime press have shown
any interest in the findings of Tristan, but it will come if it
turns out that the wreck is the "København".
Mogen Ottesen.
København at berth.
Udklip af en mail.
Jeg skriver til dig på baggrund af genudsendelsen af DR2's
dokumentar Forliset om Skoleskibet København for nogle uger siden.
Du har jo en side om skibet på snesejler.dk som jeg fandt frem til i
min søgning efter oplysninger om København.
Jeg undres lidt over at det skulle kunne lade sig gøre for et så
stort skib i nyere tid, at forlise uden et eneste spor, som det jo
fremgår skulle være tilfældet i diverse kilder og hjemmesider.
På den baggrund er det interessant at læse indlægget fra M. Ottesen
som snesejler.dk har postet på siden, og jeg har søgt lidt på
informationerne.
Ganske rigtigt kan man i 2 artikler i Sydney Morning Herald og The
Advocate fra 24. september 1935 læse, at man havde fundet en
redningsbåd og 6 skeletter formodentlig tilhørende skoleskibet
København på en kyst i Namibia.
Den oplysning fremgår ikke nogen andre steder i senere beskrivelser
af forliset, og så vidt jeg husker ej heller i dokumentaren på DR2.
Det synes jeg er en besynderlig omgang med virkeligheden.
Det er ligeledes interessant at læse på hjemmesiden for øen Tristan
da Cunha om fundet af et stort skibsvrag der ikke er identificeret i
2011, og med beskrivelser/billeder af detaljer som meget vel kunne
stamme fra et skib af Københavns størrelse.
Især også når man husker på, at en præst på øen insisterede på, at
det var en 5 master han så i havsnød d. 21. januar 1929.
Nu tænker jeg så på om du skulle have
nyere informationer i sagen da jeg oprigtig mener at man på baggrund
af fremkomne oplysninger (som ØK måske ikke har været interesseret i
at kom frem i tidligere tider) bør undersøge nærmere.
Med venlig hilsen
Nino Chieu.
Part of the text from an email.
I am writing to you on the basis of the re-broadcast of the DR2's
(Danish TV 2) documentary on the training ship København a few weeks
ago. You have a page about the ship on “snesejler.dk”
which I found in my search for information about København.
I am somewhat surprised that it would be possible for such a large
ship to founder in recent times without a single track, as is
evident in various sources and websites.
On that basis, it is interesting to read the post from M. Ottesen
which “snesejler.dk” has posted on the page and I have researched a
little on the information.
Quite rightly, in two articles in the Sydney Morning Herald and The
Advocate from 24th of May. September 1935 you can read
that a lifeboat had been found, together with six skeletons, on a
coast in Namibia and presumably associated with the training ship
København.
That information does not appear anywhere else in later descriptions
of the shipwreck, and as far as I remember neither in the
documentary at DR2.
I think this is a peculiar way of treating reality.
It is also interesting to read on the website of the island of
Tristan da Cunha, about the finding of a large shipwreck, not yet
identified in 2011, and with descriptions/pictures of details which
could well originate from a ship of København’s size.
Especially when you remember that a priest on the island insisted
that it was a 5-master he saw in sea time on 21. January 1929.
Now I am thinking about whether you should have more recent
information on the matter as I sincerely believe that on the basis
of the information obtained (which EAC may not have been of
interested in having published in the past), should be investigated.
Sincerely,
Nino Chieu.
Et nyt dyk blev udført den 19. december
2013, og det er med omkring 82% sandsynlighed, vraget af
skoleskibet
"København".
Vi vil forhåbentligt få mere at vide om
efterforskningen i 2014.
Tristanboerne samarbejder med
Udenrigsministeriet, M/S museet i Helsingør og Ø.K.
De leder bl. a. efter spor af den
særprægede hjælpemotor, som kun fandtes om bord i "København".
82% er et meget højt tal, og man må håbe at
det bliver uddybet og offentligtgjort i forbindelse med den
fortsatte efterforskning.
A new dive was carried out on 19th of December
2013, and state with about 82% probability, that the wreck
of the training ship " København ". Maybe we will learn more
about the investigation in 2014.
The islanders on Tristan cooperates with the Danish Foreign
Ministry, the M/S Museum in Helsingør and the EAC. They are
e.g. looking for traces of the distinctive auxiliary engine
which existed only onboard the
København. 82% is a very high figure and one can hope that
it will be explored and published in the context of the
continuing investigation.
12. september 2014.
Hej
Willy !
Jeg sendte nogle informationer til Dawn Repetto, og
spurgte til om, hvorledes det gik med efterforskningen af
det store vrag ved Cave Point.
Dette
venlige menneske kunne oplyse følgende:
12th of September 2014.
Hey Willy!
I sent some information to Dawn Repetto and asked about how
it was going concerning the investigation of the big wreck
at Cave Point. This friendly man could inform the following:
"We are still unsure, if the shipwreck found at the Caves -
is actually the Koebenhaven.
We will not be able to confirm this until we actually find
something on the wreck, which links it to the Kobenhaven.
We are hoping to do further dives in the summer months."
Hope this info is helpful. Best wishes Dawn.
Det
lyder godt, at der fortsat arbejdes på opklaringen af dette
mysterium, som uden tvivl vil sætte Tristan da Cunha på
Verdenskortet, når det bekræftes, at det er "København",
hvilket
jeg skrev til
Dawn
Repetto.
Jeg har
sammenholdt de tilsendte vragbilleder med billeder fra
skoleskibet, og kan placere mange af vragdelene om bord i
"København".
Det ser
ud til, at alt træværket er forsvundet gennem tiden, som
med "Titanic".
Ligeledes ser det ud til, det primært er det agterste af
skibet man har fundet - heller ikke rigningen har man hørt
noget til, men måske er skoleskibet knækket i flere dele, da
det strandede på klipperne.
Jeg
påregner besøg af en DR journalist om ikke så længe, da han
har planer om, at lave en radiodokumentar om "København"s
forlis.
Så ville
det være fornemt, om der evt. var nye bidrag til den
mangeårige debat om Ø.K's stolthed.
It sounds great that they still work on the clarification of
this mystery, which undoubtedly will put Tristan da Cunha on
the world map when it is confirmed that it is " København ",
which I wrote to Dawn Repetto.
I have compared the sent wreckage pictures with pictures
from the training ship and can place many of the wreckage
pieces on the " København ".
It seems that all the woodwork has disappeared over time, as
with the "Titanic".
Likewise, it seems that it is primarily the stern of the
ship which has been found, the rig not been found, but
perhaps the training ship was broken into several parts when
it stranded on the rocks.
I expect visit from a DR journalist shortly, as he has plans
to make a radio documentary about the " København"
shipwreck.
It would then be great if there were more information to the
long-standing debate on EAC’s pride.
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Mail sendt til professionel vragdykker i
Korsør.
Hej
Michael !
Jeg kan
notere, at der fortsat er interesse for skoleskibet
"København", da flere har reageret på mit indlæg på
hjemmesiden "Snesejler".
Jeg
forstår din professionelle interesse i billederne fra vraget
af "København" på Tristan da Cunha, men jeg har ikke
yderligere billeder end dem, som er lagt op på "Snesejler"
siden.
Jeg har
prøvet at sammenligne vragbillederne med fotografier fra
skoleskibet, og lagt dem ved siden af vragfotoet, og fundet
ud af en del af vragdelene.
Jeg ved
ikke om du har dykket på ældre fartøjer fra før 2 VK, men
det kunne være interessant at høre din mening - om mine bud
på, hvor vragdelen befandt sig om bord i "København", så jeg
sender dig denne som en vedhæftet fil, og hører gerne
nærmere fra dig - måske kan du komme med et bud på billeder,
som jeg ikke lige kan pejle mig ind på - eller har du et
professionelt bud på, hvad vragdelen er.
Det ser
ud til, at alt træet er forsvundet, hvilket det jo også var
på "Titanic".
Angående
strandingen af en større livbåd i nærheden af Möwe Bugten i
Namibia - har jeg som dig primært min viden fra bøger og
pressen i 1929.
Jeg er
overbevist om, at det med stor sandsynlighed var en af
livbådene fra "København", da den netop IKKE var
klinkbygget, hvilket størstedelen af redningsbådene var før
2. VK.
Jeg kan
vanskeligt forestille mig, at nogle af disse effekter er
bevaret for eftertiden, da det jo er over 80 år siden, at
man fandt livbåden og skeletterne - i dag kunne man jo have
taget DNA i brug til at bestemme personernes identitet.
Jeg
har lige medvirket i en DR Dokumentaroptagelse - om
skoleskibet "København"s havari og senere forlis på Tristan
den 10. februar 1929.
Det er
planen at DR vil være tilstede på Tristan, når der igen
foregår nye dykninger her i sommer på den Sydlige halvkugle.
DR påtænker at sende udsendelsen engang i det nye år, og det
bliver spændende at følge, da jeg er ret overbevist om, at
det er "København"s vrag, som Norman Glass m. fl. ved en
tilfældighed har fundet ved øen, men nu må vi se, hvad de
maritime eksperter finder ud af.
Med
højagtelse.
Mogens
Pilemand Ottesen.
"snesejler emeritus"
Mail sent to professional wreck diver in Korsør from Mogens
Ottesen
Hello Michael!
I have noted that there is still an interest in the training
ship " København ", as several have responded to my post on
the website "Snow Sailor".
I understand your professional interest in the pictures from
the wreck of " København " on Tristan da Cunha, but I do not
have any more pictures than those already posted on the
"Snow Sailor" page.
I have tried to compare the wreckage with photographs from
the training ship, and put them beside the wreck photo, and
found out part of the wreckage pieces.
I do not know if you have dived on older vessels from before
WWII, but it might be interesting to hear your opinion –
about my bids on where the wreckage part was placed on "
København", so I send you this as an attachment, and would
like to hear more from you – maybe you could give a
professional bid on what the wreckage part is.
It seems that all the wood has disappeared, which it also
was on the "Titanic".
Regarding the beaching of a larger lifeboat near the Möwe
Bay in Namibia – I as you, primarily have my knowledge from
books and the press from 1929.
I am convinced that it was very likely that it was one of
the lifeboats of "København", as it was NOT clinker-built,
as the majority of the lifeboats were before WWII.
I can hardly imagine that some of these effects have been
preserved for posterity, since it is over 80 years since the
lifeboat and the skeletons were found – today we could have
used DNA to determine the identity of the persons.
I have just appeared in a DR documentary recording-about the
training ship " København’s" foundering and later shipwreck
on Tristan on 10th of February 1929.
It is planned that DR will be present at Tristan when new
dives are again going on this summer in the southern
hemisphere.
DR plans to send the broadcast sometime in the new year and
it will be exciting to follow as I am quite convinced that
it is " København’s" s wreck, like Norman Glass and others
by chance have found near the island, but now we have to see
what the maritime experts find out.
With high esteem.
Mogens Ottesen.
"Snow Sailor Emeritus"
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For anker på floden i Bangkok.
København at anchor at the
river in Bangkok.
Brev fra Mogens 29.
september 2014.
Jeg vil løbende holde dig
orienteret, når der dukker nyt op om, "København" samt
radioudsendelsen først i det nye år.
Her medvirker også folk fra ØK og MS
museet i Helsingør, og vist også en maskinkyndig fra B&W, da
jeg ikke i detaljer kunne forklare
journalisten om brændstof tilførslen til maskinen om bord
m.v.
DR har fået god kontakt til Glass
familien på Tristan, som er stærkt involveret i
vragdykningerne, og det optager tilsyneladende alle
vulkanøens indbyggere.
Lad os håbe på, at de gode
Tristanfolk - efter 80 år får oprejsning og en stor tak, for
deres observationer i februar 1929, idet øboerne dengang
blev latterliggjort af den danske presse, og Ø.K. i
særdeleshed.
Dette var og er ganske uberettiget,
da de er særdeles gode søfolk, og kendte øen, som deres egen
bukselomme, da de drev fiskeri af bl. a. hummer i de lokale
farvande, når det barske vejrlig tillod dette.
Øboerne havde i mange år talt om, at
"København" måtte været strandet i dette område, men man har
ikke haft de nødvendige ressourcer til en sådan dykning.
Min hypotese er fortsat, at der er
opstået en voldsom brand i maskinen, og man ikke har kunnet
nedkæmpe denne, da man kun havde vand at gøre godt med, og
det er ikke specielt velegnet til masskinrumbrande.
Besætningen er som følge af branden,
gået i livbådene ved juletid i 1928, og den ene er strandet
ved Möwe Bugten i Namibia engang i april 1929, hvor en
illegal ekspedition 1933 fandt livbåden og 5 skeletter.
Dette kom først officielt frem i
september 1935, og blev pure afvist af den radikale
udenrigsminister Peter Munk, samt af Kompagniet - selv om
der var stærke indicer på, at båden netop stammede fra
"København" bl. a. strømmens sætning i Sydatlanten, fund af
beklædning, bådens udformning, m.m.
Med snesejler hilsen.
Mogens.
Letter from Mogens 29. September 2014.
I will keep you informed when news and the radio broadcast
about " København " emerge in the new year.
Here, people from the EAC and the MS Museum in Helsingør are
involved, and I believe also an engine expert from B & W, as
I could not, in details, explain the journalist about the
fuel supply to the engine on board etc.
DR has had good contact with the Glass family on Tristan,
whom are heavily involved in the wreckage, and apparently it
occupies all of the volcano island’s inhabitants.
Let us hope that, after 80 years, the good Tristan people
will receive redress and a big thank you for their
observations in February 1929, with the islanders being
ridiculed by the Danish press, and EAC in particular.
This was and is quite unjustified, as they are very good
sailors, and know the island as their own back pockets, as
they among others did lobster fishing in the local waters,
when the harsh weather allowed this.
For many years the islanders had talked about the fact that
" the fishing of " had stranded in this area, but the
resources needed for diving have not been available.
My hypothesis remains that there was a violent fire in the
engine room, and it was not possible to defeat it, since
they only had water to use, and it is not particularly
suitable for engine room fires.
The crew, as a result of the fire, had to enter into the
lifeboats at Christmas in 1928, and one of these stranded at
the Möwe Bay in Namibia sometime in April 1929, where an
illegal expedition in 1933 found the lifeboat and 5
skeletons.
This first became official in September 1935, and was purely
rejected by the Foreign Minister Peter Munk, as well as by
the company – although there were strong indications that
the boat had originated from "København", due to, among
other things, the currents in the South Atlantic, the
discovery of clothing , the design of the boat, etc.
With Snow Sailor greetings.
Mogens.
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København ved kaj.
København at berth.
29. januar 2015. Fra Mogens Ottesen som er
primus motor i sagen, har jeg modtaget følgende tekst og billeder af
effekter, som dykkerne på Tristan da Chuna har fundet i havet ved
Cave Point.
" Så er der
ultimo januar 2015 tikket nyheder ind fra Tristan ang. skoleskibet
"København", og det er jo fortsat spændende, hvad der dukker op ved
Cave Point.
Jeg har
nyligen modtaget en del mails og billeder fra Tristan, hvor der har
været et par dykninger her i januar, og der påtænkes lignende i
februar, når svømmedykkerne igen får tid, da de p.t. er på Gough
Island, for at foretage inspektioner til forskellige data om
dyrelivet m.v. på disse fjerne øer.
Vejret har
også været ugunstigt for dykninger i en periode p.g.a. af kraftige
dønninger fra SV.
Hvis læserne
måtte have nogle bud på, hvad billederne kan tænkes at forestille -
hører jeg gerne nærmere herom inden jeg igen kontakter de brave
tristanboere, som jeg gennem årene har hjulpet med nogle
informationer m.v.
"Down Under"
I spænding
ventende "snesejler"
Mogens Pilemand Ottesen,
29th of January 2015.
From Mogens Ottesen, the “prime mover” in the case, I have received
the following text and pictures of the effects that the divers at
Tristan da Chuna have found in the sea at Cave Point.
"At the end of January 2015, news from Tristan regarding the
training ship " København " has ticked-in, and it is still exciting
what emerges at Cave Point.
I have recently received a number of emails and pictures from
Tristan, where there have been a few dives in January, and it is
planned to do similar dives in February, when the scuba divers again
get time; they are currently on Gough Island to conduct inspections
of various data on Wildlife, etc. on these distant islands.
The weather has also been unfavorable to divers for a period of
time due to strong dwells from SW.
If any readers have some suggestions as to what the images show,
I would like to hear from you, before I again contact the brave
Tristan people who, over the years, have helped with some
information, etc. from "Down Under"
In tension waiting "Snow Sailor"
Mogens Ottesen.
Til venstre, ligner spanter ........ til
højre stort anker.
left, looks like hull ribs ................. right, a big anchor.
Ligner store bogstaver: O og D.
looks like the letters: O and D.
Lille anker, (måske relevant)
Small anchor (maybe
relevant)
Om effekterne stammer fra S/S København er
endnu uvist, men måske vil der snart dukke flere oplysninger op,
idet dykkerne planlægger nye dykker-ture i februar 2015.
Whether the effects originate from S/S København is still to be
determined, but perhaps more information will soon emerge, as the
divers are planning new dives in February 2015.
Sejlene rebes.
The sails are hauled.
13. Maj 2015.
Angående et skibsvrag
som er fundet i Det Indiske Ocean.
Umiddelbart kan
jeg ikke genkende noget, som indikerer at det skulle have relation
til "S/S København".
Ankeret synes at
tilhøre et mindre og ældre fartøj, og der var ingen kul om bord i
skoleskibet "S/S København", da Bolinder hjælpemotorerne klarede
strømforsyning og opvarmningen incl. kabyssen, så på sin vis var det
et moderne skib.
Ellers intet nyt
fra Tristan, og nu er efterårsstormene sat ind, så der sker næppe
meget de næste måneder.
Hvor ville det
være godt, om man kunne anvende en sådan undersøisk søge drone ved
Cave Point, hvilket jeg foreslog Danmarks Radio, men det ser ud til,
at DR helt er bakket ud af projektet.
Jeg og en
fotograf samt en journalist var indstillet på at skulle besøge øen,
og Norman, så det
blev naturligvis en stor skuffelse, da DR bakkede ud af opgaven.
Sidst jeg hørte
fra Normann, kunne han oplyse at den del af vraget, som er
fotograferet ligger på blot 10 til 20 meter vand, så opgaven skulle
være overkommelig for en søgerobot, som heller ikke er så afhængig
af vind og ikke mindst strøm, som er farlig og lumsk for
selv lokalkendte dykkere.
Muligvis er
skibets bovspryd lokaliseret, men det er endnu ikke fotograferet.
Jeg har sendt forskellige dessiner om maskinerne og bovsprydet m.v.
- og Normann er ligeledes overbevist om, at det er skoleskibet
"København", som er strandet ved Cave Point, og knækket i mindst to
dele omkring spant 60 - 62.
Hvorfor Ø.K.
ikke i juni 1929 gav sig bedre tid til at undersøge øens SV-kyst -
er for mig en gåde, når omkring 100 øboere på tæt hold så et kæmpe
barkskib drifte sydøstover i en afstand af blot
400 meter fra klippekysten, hvilket
Ø.K. var vidende om på det tidspunkt.
De gode
tristanboere fandt rent faktisk også noget vraggods i dagene efter
strandingen, hvilket åbenbart også skulle hemmeligholdes.
Der blev bjerget
nogle rugbrøds kasser i træ, som bageren havde stående ovenpå
kabystaget. Kabyssen lå i styrbords side udfor 3 lugen.
Endvidere noget
træværk i den Ø.K.-gule farve, som flød ved Cave Point eller var
drevet i land.
Dette træværk
kan stamme fra den afskærmning, som var monteret omkring
brødkasserne, men jeg er ikke helt sikker.
Antagelig er
meget vraggods sikkert drevet til havs, da der gik nogle dage, inden
øboerne fik kæmpet sig frem til Cave Point.
Senere fandt
Tristanboerne også en strandet Engelhardt-båd, som man forsøgte at
slæbe tilbage til bygden med nogle af de gamle robåde.
Det kulede op
fra SV, og søen rejste sig, så man måtte opgive, selv om det ville
have været en fin reservebåd at have på Tristan da Cunha.
Den værste
skrøne- er den om "Ponape"s passage af Stony Hill Point den 21.
januar 1929 i en afstand af 5 - 6 sømil.
Oplysningerne er
korrekte ifølge skibsdagbogen, men tillæg dertil afstanden fra
bygden på ca 12 km - 14 km.
Ingen person vil
på en afstand af 20 - 25 km- med nok så god en kikkert ( hvilket man
iøvrigt ikke havde på Øen) - vil kunne udtale sig om sejlføring -
antallet af ombordværende både - personer om bord eller det hvide
bælte på skibsskroget, som Tristanboerne i enighed gjorde rede for
overfor Kaptajn H.K. Kristensen fra Ø.K.
Han fremviste
også et fotografi af "København", og der var stor enighed om, at
netop var dette skib, som man havde observeret nogle måneder
tidligere.
Øboerne blev
naturligvis skuffet over resultatet af Ø.K.s undersøgelse, hvor man
ikke troede på, hvad øboerne havde observeret hin februardag i 1929,
selv om de var habile fiskere og søfolk, og kendte besejlings
forholdene omkring Tristan da Cunha.
Derfor er jeg
fortsat overbevist om, at strandingen skete omkring den 10. februar
1929, hvor skoleskibet er kommet til øen som vinddriver, og strandet
ved Cave Point, hvor det blev slået til vrag.
Håber på en
endelig og snarlig afklaring af skoleskibet "København"s skæbne.
Med maritim
hilsen.
Mogens Pilemand Ottesen
Navigatør Emeritus.
13th of May 2015.
More from Mogens Ottesen
About a shipwreck found in the Indian Ocean.
I do not for sure recognize anything that indicates it should be
related to the København.
The anchor seems to belong to a smaller and older vessel, and no
coal was used onboard the training ship København, as the Bolinder
auxiliary engines took care of the power supply and heating incl.
the galley, in fact it was a “modern” ship.
Otherwise nothing new from Tristan, and the autumn storms have now
stated, so hardly much happens in the next few months.
How great it would be if one could use such an underwater search
drone at Cave Point, which I suggested Danmarks Radio, but it seems
that DR has completely backed out of the project.
A photographer and I, as well as a journalist, were prepared to
visit the island and Norman, so it was of course a big
disappointment when DR backed down from the task.
The last time I heard from Norman he told that the part of the wreck
which is photographed is found in just 10-20 meters of water debt,
so the task should be affordable for a search robot, which is also
not so dependent on wind and not least the current, which is
dangerous and treacherous even for local divers.
Possibly the ship's bow is localized, but it has not yet been
photographed. I have sent various designs on the engines and the
bowsprit, etc. – and Norman is also convinced that it is the
training ship " insidiously ", which is stranded at Cave Point, and
broken in at least two parts around ribs 60-62.
Why the EAC in June 1929 didn’t took more time to examine the
island's SW coast – is a mystery to me when about 100 islanders from
a close distance of just 400 meters from the Cliff coast saw a giant
bark ship drift SE. a fact the EAC was knew about at the time.
In fact, the good Tristan residents also found some wreckage in the
days after at the beach, which apparently had to be kept a secret.
Some rye bread boxes in wood were salvaged, which the baker had
standing on top of the galley roof. The galley was on the starboard
side of the 3rd hatch.
Furthermore, some woodwork in the EAC-yellow color was seen floating
at Cave Point or even came ashore.
This woodwork could stem from the shielding that was mounted around
the breadboxes, but I'm not quite sure.
Presumably, a lot of wreckage was drifting back to sea, as it took a
few days before the islanders got up to Cave Point.
Later, Tristan Islanders found a stranded Engelhardt boat, which
they tried to tow back to the village with some of the old rowing
boats.
Wind blew up from SW, and the sea level rose, so you had to abandon
it, even though it would have been a nice spare boat to have on
Tristan da Cunha.
The worst hoax-is the about "Ponape" 's passage of Stony Hill Point
on 21st of January 1929 at a distance of 5-6 nautical miles. The
information is correct according to the logbook, but you have to add
the distance from the settlement of approximately 12 km-14 km.
However, no person will, at a distance of 20-25 km – even with very
good binoculars (which, incidentally, they did not have on the
island) – be able to comment on the sails, the number of persons on
board or the white belt on the hull, which the Tristan Islanders in
unity told to Captain H.K. Kristensen from EAC.
He even presented a photograph of the København, and there was a
strong consensus that this was exactly the ship that had been
observed a few months earlier.
The islanders were, of course, disappointed by the outcome of the
EAC investigation, which did not believe in what the Islanders had
observed in 1929, although they were capable fishermen and sailors,
and knew the navigation conditions around Tristan da Cunha.
Therefore, I remain convinced that the beaching did happen around
the 10th of February 1929, when the training ship came drifting to
the island and stranded at Cave Point, where it was beaten to a
wreck.
I hope for a final and speedy clarification of the destiny training
ship København.
With maritime greeting.
Mogens Ottesen
Navigator Emeritus.
København ved kaj.
The
training ship København at berth.
NYHED - August - 2017.
NEWS – August – 2017.
Kilde:Bent Mikkelsen i blad nr. 8 - August 2017 -
Maritime Danmark.
ER SKOLESKIBET
KØBENHAVN FUNDET ?
Måske vraget af skoleskibet
KØBENHAVN på bunden af det sydlige Indiske Ocean.
Perhaps the
wreck of the training ship
København
at the bottom of the southern Indian Ocean.
Mysteriet omkring Østasiatiske Kompagnis skoleskib Københavns forlis
er måske kommet et skridt nærmere en opklaring. 88 år efter, at
skoleskibet forsvandt med tab af hele besætningen er det måske
blevet lokaliseret på bunden af havet i den sydlige del af Det
Indiske Ocean. Det er sket i forbindelse med omfattende eftersøgning
af det Malaysiske fly MH 370, der måske fløj i en bane sydpå fra
Malaysia i stedet for nordpå mod Kina.
Den meget intensive eftersøgning efter vraget eller vragdele (især
flightrecordere) fra Malaysia Airlines fly MH 370, der forsvandt i
marts 2014 på en flyvning fra Kuala Lumpur til Beijing i Kina med
239 personer om bord, har afsløret et vrag på havbunden i den
sydlige del af Det Indiske Ocean.
I første omgang blev der lokaliseret noget menneskeskabt og af metal
på havbunden 3700 meter under vandoverfladen. Længden og den øvrige
profil kunne til en forveksling ligne et vrag af et fly, hvor
vingerne var slået af.
Det viste sig dog at være et skibsvrag. Det blev konklusionen efter,
at et autonomous unterwater vehicle blev sendt ned sammen med et
kamera fra det norske offshoreskib Havila Harmony. Billederne og
undersøgelserne i øvrigt viste et langt slankt sejlskib, der
tydeligvis står med flere master med ræerne intakte. Ikke
umiddelbart noget navn at se på billederne, der blev offentliggjort
af Australian Transport Safty Bureau. Længden på skroget og bredden
(det er et forholdsvis slangt skrog) kunne tyde på, at det var
København.
Der er ikke offentliggjort noget specifikt findested, men
eftersøgningen er i lang tid sket i et område i den sydlige del af
oceanet baseret på beregninger af, hvornår MH370 ville løbe tør for
brændstof og derfor ville styrte i havet. Den teori fik ny næring i
2015, da der blev fundet en vragrest fra et fly, som skyllede i land
på øen Reunion, som ligger øst for Madagascar. Vragresten er senere
blevet indentificeret som en del fra Airbus-fly af samme type som
MH370
Der er p.t. ingen oplysninger om, hvorvidt vraget vil blive
undersøgt nærmere, da eftersøgningen fortsat gælder det forsvundne
fly og dets sorte bokse for, at disse kan kaste et nærmere lys over
flyets forsvinden. Der har været mange teorier om, hvorfor flyet
ændrede kursen 180° rundt og fløj sydpå i stedet for den
planlagte rute nordpå fra Malaysia.
SKOLESKIBET
Skoleskibet København forsvandt et eller andet sted på en rejse fra
Buenos Aires i Argentina til Adelaide i Australien i ballast,
hvilket vil sige med sand i lasten. Det skete i dagene efter 14.
december 1928, da skibet afsejlede fra den argentinske havn med kurs
mod Australien syd om Afrika og gennem de brølende 20'ere (det var
dog i sommerhalvåret). Sejladsen var beregnet til at tage 2 måneder,
men da skibet ikke var nået frem i slutningen af februar 1929, blev
det efterlyst, og der bredte sig en uro blandt de pårørende i
Danmark. Skoleskibet forsvandt med en besætning på 59 personer,
hvoraf de 45 var kadetter under uddannelse til søfarende i ØKs flåde
af fragtskibe. Den aller sidste kontakt med København skete 22.
december 1928, da skoleskibet var i telegrafisk kontakt med den
norske damper William Blumer på position 33° 44S - 34° 23V -
sådan cirka halvvejs mellem Sydamerika og Afrikas sydspids Kap Det
Gode Håb. Der meldte skoleskibet København alt vel om bord og
fortsatte rejsen mod Australien for at laste korn.
Da skibet stadig ikke var nået frem
til Adelaide i begyndelsen af marts 1929, blev der sat gang i en
efterlysning på den måde, at der blev sendt telegrammer til havne og
agenter på den sydlige halvkugle for at skaffe nye informationer.
Hjemme i Danmark forsikrede Øst Asiatiske Kompagni, der endnu havde
stifteren H.N.Andersen i spidsen alle de pårørende om, at der ikke
umiddelbart var grund til at være urolig. Der blev forklaret, at
skoleskibet kunne være forsinket af vindstille områder, ligesom det
kunne være det modsatte, hvor skibet havde ligget underdrejet på
grund af storm eller på grund af tågebanker og/eller sejlads mellem
isbjerge.
EFTERSØGNING
Tingene udviklede sig ikke positivt for
ØK eller de pårørende. Der kom ingen informationer om skibet og slet
ingen positionsmeldinger om anløb af Adelaide. I begyndelsen af
april 1929 besluttede Østasiatiske Kompagni at udruste en
eftersøgning efter skoleskibet, der var rederiets stolthed på niveau
med Selandia, der var verdens første dieselmotorskib.
Ekspiditionen, der blev ledet af kaptajn H. K. Christensen, der
tidligere havde gjort tjeneste på København, fik stillet rederiets
motortankskib Mexico til rådighed. Tankskibet var i 1920 den
allerførste nybygning fra Nakskov Skibsværft, der også var stiftet
af Østasiatiske Kompagni. Skibet på 4.450 DWT blev sendt sydpå og
reelt sejlede den samme rute, som var planlagt for København: Fra
Buenos Aires til Adelaide. Det skete dog med afstikkere til
relevante øer og afstikkere på begge sider af den planlagte kurs.
Alt sammen uden resultat eller så meget som bare en stump, der kunne
genkendes fra København. Intet blev fundet fra skibet.
Østasiatiske Kompagni måtte 6. september 1929 officielt
meddele, at eftersøgning efter skoleskibet måtte opgives og skibet
blev anset for forlist med tabet af de 59 i besætningen (14 voksne og
45 kadetter). den officielle søforklaring blev afholdt i København
15. oktober 1929 uden at der blev kastet nyt lys om skibets
forsvinden.
I årene efter har der været talrige teorier om, hvad der kunne
være gået galt om bord på København og det faktum, at der stadig
ikke er fundet vragdele efter det store sejlskib, men alt sammen
uden at det har ført til noget resultat. Ikke før det omtalte
skibsvrag blev fundet på havbunden ved hjælp af moderne offshore
teknologi.
SEJLSKIB
København blev bygget 1921 af
Ramage & Ferguson i Leith i Skotland som nybygning nr. 256. Det
målte 112,40 meter i længden - 134 meter, hvis bovsprydet blev
regnet med. Skibet havde en bredde på 15,0 meter og en dybgang på
8,20 meter. Skibet var en 5 mastet bark. det vil sige 4 master med
fuldsejl, der hænger på ræer, mens den agterste mast havde
bermudasejl og med et totalt sejlareal på 4.744 kvm. Det var ikke et
fuldt sejlskib, idet skibet var udstyret med en dieselmotor på 640
hk, der i tilfælde af vindstille kunne drive skibet frem med 6 knobs
servicefart. København havde en tonnage på 3.840 brt og en dødvægts
tonnage på 5.125 dwt. På sin næstsidste rejse lossede København en
last cement fra ØKs egen cementfabrik i Nørre Sundby til Buenos
Aires.
Det kan umiddelbart undre, at ØK, der ellers var pioner i
bygning af skibe med dieselmaskineri, lod et sejlskib bygge i 1921.
Det hænger dog sammen med uddannelse af egne officerer. Det var
sådan, at unge søfarende skulle have sejltid i et sejlskib for at
kunne tage en styrmandsuddannelse. denne regel affødte, at ØK valgte
at bygge eget skib, ligesom DFDS i 1915 overtog barken Viking (nu
museumsskib i Göteborg) og at flere franske sejlskibe blev overført
til dansk flag. Det var de såkaldte Havre-barker (fordi skibene var
ejet i Le Havre), som for fransk regning blev drevet fra Marstal,
fordi der var villige søfarende til at bemande disse skibe, hvor de
franske søfarende hellere ville sejle i damp- og motorskibe.
By Bent Mikkelsen – Danish Maritime’s magazine from August 2017
Has the training ship
København
been found?
The mystery surrounding the shipwreck of the East Asiatic Company's
training ship
København
has perhaps come a step closer to a solution. Now, 88 years after
the training ship disappeared with the loss of the entire crew, it
may have been localized at the bottom of the sea in the southern
part of the Indian Ocean. This has been done in connection with the
extensive search of the Malaysian aircraft MH 370, which may have
been flying in a route south from Malaysia instead of north to China.
The very intensive search for the wreckage or parts (especially
flight recorders) from Malaysia Airlines MH 370, which disappeared
in March 2014 on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing in China with
239 persons on board, has uncovered a wreck on the seabed of the
Southern part of the Indian Ocean. Initially, something man-made and
of metal, has been located on the seabed at 3,700 meters below the
water surface. The length and the profile could, to a great extent,
resemble the wreckage of an aircraft where the wings were knocked
off.
However, it turned out to be a shipwreck. It was concluded after an
autonomous underwater vehicle was sent down together with a camera
from the Norwegian offshore ship Havila Harmony. The pictures and
surveys also showed a far slim sailing ship, which clearly stands
with several masts and its yardarms intact. A name was not
immediately seen at the pictures that have been published by the
Australian transport Safety Bureau. The length of the hull and the
width – it is a relatively slim hull – indicates that it could be
the København.
No specific location of the find has been published, but the search
has for a long time taken place in an area in the southern part of
the ocean based on calculations of when MH 370 would run out of fuel
and therefore would plunge into the sea. This theory was given new
nutrition in 2015 when a wreck part was found from a plane that
washed ashore on the island of Reunion, which lies to the east of
Madagascar. The wreck part was later identified as part of an
Airbus aircraft of the same type as MH 370.
There is currently no information on whether the wreck will be
examined further, as the search continues to apply to the missing
aircraft and its black boxes in order for them to shed a closer
light on the disappearance of the aircraft. There have been many
theories as to why the plane changed the course 180 degrees and flew
south instead of the planned route north from Malaysia.
The training ship.
The training ship København disappeared during a voyage from Buenos
Aires in Argentina to Adelaide in Australia in ballast, which is to
say they had sand in the cargo holds. It happened in the days after
14th of December 1928, when the ship sailed from the
Argentine port with a course towards Australia taking her south of
Africa and through the roaring 40’ties (it was, however, during the
summer months in the southern hemisphere). The voyage was intended
to take two months, but when the ship did not arrive at the end of
February 1929, it was searched for and there was concern among the
relatives in Denmark. The training ship disappeared with a crew of
59 people, of which 45 were cadets in training to become seafarers
in the EAC fleet of cargo ships. The very last contact with the
København was on the 22nd of December 1928, when the
training ship was in telegraphic contact with the Norwegian steamer
William Blumer at position 33° 44S – 34° 23V – roughly halfway
between South America and the southern tip of Africa’s Cape the Good
Hope. The training ship København announced everything well on board
and continued the voyage towards Australia to load grain.
When the ship had still not reached Adelaide at the beginning of
March 1929, a search was initiated in the way that telegrams were
sent to ports and agents in the southern hemisphere in order to
obtain any kind of information. At home in Denmark, the East Asiatic
Company, which had yet its founder N. H. Andersen heading the
company, assured all the relatives that there was no immediate
reason to be worried. It was explained that the training ship could
be delayed by calm winds, just as it could be the opposite where the
ship had been in a hove-to situation due to storms, fog banks and/or
navigation between icebergs.
The search.
Things did not develop positively for the EAC or the relatives. No
information was provided on the ship and no position reports on
entry into Adelaide at all. In early April 1929, the East Asiatic
Company decided to equip a search for the training ship, which was a
company pride at the same level as Selandia, the world's first
seagoing diesel engine ship.
The expedition, led by a Captain H. K. Christensen, who had
previously served onboard the
København, was given access to the shipping company's motor
tanker Mexico. The tanker was in 1920 the very first new building
from Nakskov shipyard, which was also founded by the East Asiatic
Company. The ship, at 4,450 DWT, was sent south and actually sailed
the same route planned for the København: from Buenos Aires to
Adelaide. However, it happened with stops at relevant islands to
both sides of the planned voyage course. It was all with no result
and not so much as just a stump that could be recognized being from
the København. Nothing was found from the ship.
The East Asiatic Company had to, on the 6th of September
1929, officially announce that after search for the training ship
had to be abandoned and that the ship was considered to have sunk
with the loss of the 59 crew members (14 adults and 45 cadets). An
official maritime inquiry was held in Copenhagen on the 15th
of October 1929 without a new light on the disappearance of the
ship.
During the years after there has been numerous theories about what
could have gone wrong on board the København and the fact that no
wreckage parts was never found after the large sailing ship, but all
without it has led to any results. Not until the aforementioned
shipwreck was found on the seabed using modern offshore technology.
The sailing ship København.
The København was built in 1921 by Ramage & Ferguson in Leith,
Scotland as new building Nr. 256. She measured 112.40 meters in
length – 134 meters, if the bow sprit was counted, the ship had a
width of 15.0 meters and a draught of 8.20 meters. The ship was a
5-masted bark. That is, four mast with sails hanging on yardarms,
while the aft mast had a schooner sail, with a total area of 4,744
sqm. It was not a “full sailing ship”, since the it was equipped
with a diesel engine of 640 HP which, in the event of calm winds,
could move the ship forward with six knots service speed. The
København had a tonnage of 3,840 GRT and a deadweight tonnage of
5,125 DWT. On the penultimate voyage, the København had unloaded a
cargo cement in Buenos Aires from EAC's own cement factory in Nørre
Sundby Denmark.
It may be surprising that the EAC, who was otherwise a pioneer in
the construction of ships with diesel machinery, allowed a sailing
ship to be built in 1921. However, this is linked to the training of
own officers. In those days, young seafarers had to undergo sailing
time onboard a sailing ship in order to be able to take a mate's
training. This rule led to the decision of the EAC to build its own
ship, just as DFDS in 1915 took over the bark Viking (now the museum
ship in Gothenburg) and that several French sailing ships had been
transferred to the Danish flag, the so-called Havre-Barks (in Danish
meaning “Oat Barks”), as these ships were owned in Le Havre, but
managed on a French account from Marstal in Denmark. Here they had
seafarers who were willing to man the ships, whereas French
seafarers would rather sail with steam and motor ships.
Kilde:Bent Mikkelsen i blad nr. 8 - August 2017 -
Maritime Danmark.
For translation:
Thanks to
marine engineer.
Jesper Th. Petersen
Seattle.
Mange mennesker har sendt mig spørgsmål om nyt vedrørende KØBENHAVNs
forlis og MANGE TAK for det, det er godt at vide at så mange
mennesker er interesseret i den sørgelige historie om det gamle skib
KØBENHAVN.
Men desværre er der endnu intet nyt.
De institutioner som er/var involveret i projektet, har meddelt at
de ikke ser sig i stand til at foretage sig yderligt, med mindre der
kommer afgørende nyt i sagen.
Det er en bekostelig affære at undersøge et skibsvrag som man ikke
ved hvor er, og derfor må man nok erkende at mysteriet fortsat vil
være uløst i en ukendt fremtid.
Many people send me questions concerning news from KØBENHAVNs wreck
and THANK YOU VERY MUCH for that, it is good to know that so many
people are interested in the sad story of the old ship KØBENHAVN.
But unfortunately there is nothing new.
The institutions that are/were involved in the project have
announced that they do not see themselves able to do anything
further, unles there is essential news in the case.
It is a costly affair to investigate a wreck when you do not know
where it is, and so we must admit that the mystery will remain
unsolved for some unknown time.
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